Narnia: Narnian Girls, Telmarine Boys

[Content Note: Genocide, Appropriation, Violence Against Children, Unwilling Body Transformation]

Narnia Recap: Miraz has been murdered by his advisers, and Peter and the Narnians are being attacked by the Telmarine army. 

Prince Caspian, Chapter 14: How All Were Very Busy

   And then imagine that the wood, instead of being fixed to one place, was rushing at you; and was no longer trees but huge people; yet still like trees because their long arms waved like branches and their heads tossed and leaves fell round them in showers. It was like that for the Telmarines. It was a little alarming even for the Narnians. In a few minutes all Miraz's followers were running down to the Great River in the hope of crossing the bridge to the town of Beruna and there defending themselves behind ramparts and closed gates.
   They reached the river, but there was no bridge. It had disappeared since yesterday. Then utter panic and horror fell upon them and they all surrendered.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You were hoping for an exciting battle scene to cap off fourteen exceedingly long chapters in which nothing of interest happens? You lose! You get seven short sentences of running and surrendering instead. Ha!

The look on your face right now, I wish you could see it. You've just been pranked by freaking C.S. Lewis. *snerk*

   But what had happened to the bridge?

Be honest: do you care?

Because I'm pretty sure that as a child, I did not. Oh my god, what happened to the bridge that I do not care about and which has not been plot-relevant and which only matters here and now because it prevents the Telmarines from effectively fleeing? I DO NOT CARE. Aslan evaporated it with his brain for all I care, because what is the point of having a god on your team if not to evaporate things through sheer force of will? There is no other point, I say.

   Early that morning, after a few hours' sleep, the girls had waked, to see Aslan standing over them and to hear his voice saying, "We will make holiday." [...]
   "What is it, Aslan?" said Lucy, her eyes dancing and her feet wanting to dance.
   "Come, children," said he. "Ride on my back again today."

Here is the thing, okay? Here it is: Aslan is the WORST.

You knew that already. Of course you did. But just to be clear, Aslan is the worst thing in worstville. He is a worst thing made out of other worst things and stuck all over with worsty bits and doused in a worsty sauce and then set on fire. But instead of fire, it is worstiness. That is how worst Aslan is.

Aslan is the worst because he has been farting around for three hundred years, that's one plus one plus one, that's three hundred years, that's a freaking lot of years, that's longer than the span of time between now and the United States Declaration of Independence, that's a really long time. Aslan has been farting around all that time while his entire people, all the Narnians, have been so nearly exterminated that it is now possible to pretend that they never existed at all, which is pretty darned exterminated considering that passing for a Telmarine isn't feasible for most of the Narnias.

And then when the Chosen Children did finally show up -- and they showed up not Because Aslan, but Because Santa for crying out loud -- Aslan spent days playing shadow cat in the forest and being deep and mysterious and ineffable because gods know that's always real helpful, before separating the children so that the Boys could go off and foil assassination attempts and try to work out on their own without any guidance from Aslan on how to win a bloody war while the Girls went off to dance at a Totally Not An Orgy party. And now the Girls are supposed to have another dancey holiday day and not worry about their brothers or that whole war thing or whatever because PRIORITIES.

But, no, it's really okay, because Aslan DOES have a plan to totes help out the Narnians, it's just a ridiculously convoluted plan that will result in more deaths before the day is out, but clearly this is the RIGHT way to do things because Aslan is deep and mysterious and ineffable and terrifyingly joyous. BAM!

   They turned a little to the right, raced down a steep hill, and found the long Bridge of Beruna in front of them. Before they had begun to cross it, however, up out of the water came a great wet, bearded head, larger than a man's, crowned with rushes. It looked at Aslan and out of its mouth a deep voice came.
   "Hail, Lord," it said. "Loose my chains."
   "That means the bridge, I expect," thought Lucy. And so it did. Bacchus and his people splashed forward into the shallow water, and a minute later the most curious things began happening. Great, strong trunks of ivy came curling up all the piers of the bridge, growing as quickly as a fire grows, wrapping the stones round, splitting, breaking, separating them. The walls of the bridge turned into hedges gay with hawthorn for a moment and then disappeared as the whole thing with a rush and a rumble collapsed into the swirling water. With much splashing, screaming, and laughter the revelers waded or swam or danced across the ford ("Hurrah! It's the Ford of Beruna again now!" cried the girls) and up the bank on the far side and into the town.

I don't know what's more baffling here, that the Telmarines would build a bridge over a perfectly good shallow ford (Are they conducting more and wider trade than the Pevensies that this was necessary? Do they care more about the mobility of people with disabilities? Is this another Roads = Evil dig, much like the bits in LWW about how Evil!Edmund wants roads and Good!Pevensies presumably do not?), or that a bloody great river god was powerless to prevent the bridge being built (Has he been asleep all this time like the trees? Are the gods in Narnia good for anything?), or that Aslan doesn't even do any of the heavy lifting here, instead delegating the whole thing to Bacchus and his "people" (TOTALLY NOT ORGIASTIC YOUNG WOMEN WEARING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN NYLONS AND LIPSTICK).

I would also like to point out that the conceit of this section -- What Happened To The Bridge? -- is now over, so everything after this is so much faffing about. For theologies, presumably.

   Everyone in the streets fled before their faces. The first house they came to was a school: a girls' school, where a lot of Narnian girls, with their hair done very tight and ugly tight collars round their necks and thick tickly stockings on their legs, were having a history lesson. The sort of "History" that was taught in Narnia under Miraz's rule was duller than the truest history you ever read and less true than the most exciting adventure story.

I. You. What. *sputter*

NARNIAN girls?

Surely we mean "Telmarine" girls, Mr. Lewis, in as much as Narnian girls are nymphs and dwarves and river goddesses and dryads and Beavers and Wolves and Mice and Stars. And being those things in public means a quick and brutal death at the hands of the genocidal invaders.

But, you know, why the feck not, right? I mean, Prince Caspian hasn't once had to deal with any kind of fallout for being the son of brutal invaders who genocided the entire country into oblivion. Everyone who isn't an Evil Black Dwarf has immediately kowtowed to his will entirely and insisted that he is the True and Honorable King because, you know, son of Adam, and every time anyone has even mentioned that he's a child of privilege, there's been a whole cast of side-kicks willing to shout down that Caspian is the bestest thing ever and it's NOT HIS FAULT and why you gotta be so down on the poor privileged white boy?

So I guess it makes sense that we'd go the next logical leap and just call Telmarine girls "Narnian" girls because, meh, born in Narnia and whatnot. After three hundred years of genocide and imperialism and conquest who still cares about labels, am I right? (It's just like what some folks used to tell me growing up, that we were "Native Americans" because by god we were born in America, dammit, and how much more native can you get than that?)

   "If you don't attend, Gwendolen," said the mistress, "and stop looking out of the window, I shall have to give you an order-mark."
   "But please, Miss Prizzle -- " began Gwendolen.
   "Did you hear what I said, Gwendolen?" asked Miss Prizzle.
   "But please, Miss Prizzle," said Gwendolen, "there's a LION!"
   "Take two order-marks for talking nonsense," said Miss Prizzle. "And now -- " A roar interrupted her. Ivy came curling in at the windows of the classroom. The walls became a mass of shimmering green, and leafy branches arched overhead where the ceiling had been. Miss Prizzle found she was standing on grass in a forest glade. She clutched at her desk to steady herself, and found that the desk was a rose-bush. Wild people such as she had never even imagined were crowding round her. Then she saw the Lion, screamed and fled, and with her fled her class, who were mostly dumpy, prim little girls with fat legs. Gwendolen hesitated.

C.S. Lewis, folks. Totally not misogynistic or drenched in harmful stereotypes about how "good" women should look and behave. (And there is not enough money in the world to bet that Miss Prizzle wears sensible shoes.)

I'm pretty sure, though I can't swear to it, that this continues an ongoing-trend of no "good" adult women in this series, at least, who aren't predominantly Wives or Mothers. LWW had a total of two adult women -- Jadis the White Witch and Mrs. Beaver -- and Prince Caspian has had Miraz' wife (she of the mocking name) who is a non-entity in the book, and now Miss Prizzle who is clearly a terrible person for giving out order-marks when her students disrupt class to talk about mythological creatures that do not exist. If there are any other adult women in the books thus far, I've missed them and they should be added to the roster. (I'm purposefully not counting Adult!Lucy and Adult!Susan since they are only adults in a single paragraph in LWW.)

   "You'll stay with us, sweetheart?" said Aslan.
   "Oh, may I? Thank you, thank you," said Gwendolen. Instantly she joined hands with two of the Maenads, who whirled her round in a merry dance and helped her take off some of the unnecessary and uncomfortable clothes that she was wearing.

LOL WHAT. Okay, so maybe Bacchus' people are wearing considerably less than nylons and lipstick explicitly in canon and not just by inference. Yay for impossible standards of female sexuality!

   At a little town half-way to Beaversdam, where two rivers met, they came to another school, where a tired-looking girl was teaching arithmetic to a number of boys who looked very like pigs. She looked out of the window and saw the divine revelers singing up the street and a stab of joy went through her heart. Aslan stopped right under the window and looked up at her. 
   "Oh, don't, don't," she said. "I'd love to. But I mustn't. I must stick to my work. And the children would be frightened if they saw you."
   "Frightened?" said the most pig-like of the boys. "Who's she talking to out of the window? Let's tell the inspector she talks to people out of the window when she ought to be teaching us."
   "Let's go and see who it is," said another boy, and they all came crowding to the window. But as soon as their mean little faces looked out, Bacchus gave a great cry of Euan, euoi-oi-oi-oi and the boys all began howling with fright and trampling one another down to get out of the door and jumping out of the windows. And it was said afterward (whether truly or not) that those particular little boys were never seen again, but that there were a lot of very fine little pigs in that part of the country which had never been there before.
   "Now, Dear Heart," said Aslan to the Mistress: and she jumped down and joined them.

Now is presumably as good a time as any to point out that C.S. Lewis hated schools and, presumably, school children. I'm guessing, anyway, since this chapter felt the need to include not one but two examples of an entire school (minus one acceptably Christian girl/woman in each case) being decimated by Aslan and his wrecking crew. (Also, I guess here is your one good woman for the book. But she doesn't get a name, because we wouldn't want to get carried away. And we're going to call her "girl" either because she's Laura Ingalls Wilder or because good women should be infantilized until they are suitably married and knocked up.)

Incidentally, I think the Theologies here is a mishmash of Jesus casting demons into pigs and god mauling young boys with bears because they failed to give props to his prophet Elisha:

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

But I could be wrong. It's not like there aren't plenty of stories of Bacchus / Dionysus turning people into other things, and there's of course the whole bit in The Odyssey with Circe turning men to pigs (although mind you, that was presented in the book as a sort of evil thing to do, so there's that), so Lewis wouldn't have had to reach too far into the Bible for this one. But there's something about the little piggy Telmarine boys that has always made me think of the Elisha passage. Possibly because I think of the Elisha passage very often and always cringe.

It's interesting to note that in addition to the body horror of being changed unwillingly into a form that the boys presumably did not want, the text seems to indicate that they were turned to pigs and not Pigs. So essentially Aslan and Bacchus turned the boys into a silent animal that will almost certainly be used for food if not by the Telmarines, then by the carnivorous Narnians in the area. Stellar.

It's a shame that Aslan only gives a shit about nine-year-old boys when they are part of a prophecy to defeat his ancient enemy. Otherwise they can apparently fuck-off-and-die.

   At Beaversdam they re-crossed the river and came east again along the southern bank. They came to a little cottage where a child stood in the doorway crying. "Why are you crying, my love?" asked Aslan. The child, who had never seen a picture of a lion, was not afraid of him. "Auntie's very ill," she said. "She's going to die." [...] She was at death's door, but when she opened her eyes and saw the bright, hairy head of the lion staring into her face, she did not scream or faint. She said, "Oh, Aslan! I knew it was true. I've been waiting for this all my life. Have you come to take me away?"
   "Yes, Dearest," said Aslan. "But not the long journey yet." And as he spoke, like the flush creeping along the underside of a cloud at sunrise, the color came back to her white face and her eyes grew bright and she sat up and said, "Why, I do declare I feel that better. I think I could take a little breakfast this morning." [...]
   And so at last, with leaping and dancing and singing, with music and laughter and roaring and barking and neighing, they all came to the place where Miraz's army stood flinging down their swords and holding up their hands, and Peter's army, still holding their weapons and breathing hard, stood round them with stern and glad faces. And the first thing that happened was that the old woman slipped off Aslan's back and ran across to Caspian and they embraced one another; for she was his old nurse.

And there you have it: Prince Caspian, the favored son of fortune, does not have to actually suffer any loss at all in his life. The one formative loss he experienced -- that of his Nurse being taken away for telling him tales of Old Narnia -- has now been fixed, because otherwise the story just wouldn't be happy.

Of course, all the family and friends that the Old Narnians lost, those people are still dead. And, of course, Nikabrik is dead purely because Aslan and the Pevensies couldn't be arsed to pop out of hiding five minutes faster than they actually did. But the important thing is that the privileged white insert character is happy. And, uh, I guess he's a "Narnian" now, what with being born there and all. PROBLEM SOLVED FOREVER.

94 comments:

bekabot said...

"But just to be clear, Aslan is the worst thing in worstville. He is a worst thing made out of other worst things and stuck all over with worsty bits and doused in a worsty sauce and then set on fire. But instead of fire, it is worstiness."

Hee. Maybe that's the recipe for Worstestshire Sauce, which is the opposite of Awesome Sauce.

Amirite?

kisekileia said...

I've never had a big problem with the Elisha story. It's 42+ boys (or possibly young men--I've heard that the Hebrew word suggests that, although I don't know if that's accurate) attacking and bullying one man, and I don't exactly feel sorry for bullying gangs that get smacked down by something bigger than them.

GeniusLemur said...

There's an army to deal with, and Aslan is wandering around terrifying schoolchildren. Oh, yeah, he's wise and wonderful.

And for the details of the school-wrecking and schoolchildren terrifying, Lewis sure does think like a five-year-old sometimes.

Lonespark said...

What the fucking fuck.

Ana Mardoll said...

I kind of feel like an all-powerful god could come up with a more constructive solution than "out bully the bullies until they are dead".

What's that line in LoTR? "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."

I'm not a big fan of killing people, even if they deserve killing.

Will Wildman said...

Holy @#$%.

Bad fanfiction isn't this gratuitously vengeful. Having finally showed up after a 1300-year absence and the near-genocide of Old Narnia, Aslan spends his first (and I'm guessing only) day back on the job destroying a bridge, and then terrifying girls and terrifying and/or murdering boys for being insufficiently attractive? That's a thing that just happened?

If possible fatal polymorphing is the punishment for being a brat, I can't wait to see what he'll do to the actual Telmarine soldiers who have been killing Narnians for the last few weeks. (Prediction: he will not in fact murder them all.)

How exactly do we tell good from bad here, sidewise? Aslan cured one woman's illness; okay, that's good, no question. On the other hand, he apparently subscribes to the Pied Piper theory of educational reform and opposes accessible public infrastructure. (Speaking of, in what way is a bridge a river's 'chains'? A dam chains a river. A bridge is a river's hat. Hats are cool.) He also has no interest in trying to save anyone's life. Aslan would fit way better in the Olympian pantheon than as the Second Person of the Trinity.

Ana Mardoll said...

Aslan spends his first (and I'm guessing only) day back on the job

I really hope that you love next week's Narnia. Because this statement is HIGHLY RELEVANT. :D

GeniusLemur said...

I think the proper term is "spiteful," not "vengeful."

Ana Mardoll said...

We've got wordy people on the board. How come we say "take vengeance" or "wreak revenge", but "venge" itself (the apparent root) is not a word that can be used? The "re" in "revenge" would indicate the reactionary nature -- "revenge" is harm inflicted in response to a (perceived) harm done -- so wouldn't the initial harm be just "venge"?

/ random

GeniusLemur said...

To be fair to Lewis, the whole, "everything is perfect if it works out for our hero, no matter what it costs anyone else" bit is distressingly common. The first one I remember noticing was the movie "The Vikings," with its mentality of, "Yes, we had an unnecessary war, and hundreds or thousands of lives were lost, and probably an entire kingdom's been wrecked. But our hero got his hot piece of tail, so it's all good."

Will Wildman said...

Eh, I think there's sufficient evidence that Lewis felt wronged by schooling to characterise this as lashing back at the whole school system, rather than just random violence. If Aslan had decided to randomly screw with, I don't know, the guild of shoemakers, then it'd be random spite.

Will Wildman said...

Near as I can tell, it's because that would be both 1) English, and 2) sensible, and never the twain may meet.

In seriousness, 'venge' in all its forms comes from the same root as 'vindicate', and the 're-' part of 'revenge', I think, is like that of 'restore' and 'repair' - it's about putting something back into its rightful state. 'Venge' was once used as a word on its own, but became 'avenge' at some point without changing the meaning.

Ursula L said...

And, of course, they meet Caspian's nurse at Beaversdam, but neither Susan nor Lucy have a chance to comment on their old friends, the Beavers, now long gone, or to pay a moment's respect.

Ana Mardoll said...

Makes sense. And you're right that English can't be sensible, because then everyone could learn it and it wouldn't be special anymore.

Re: Schooling, the weird thing is that I will agree (based on what I know) that Lewis really was harmed by schooling. And possibly/probably by his schoolmates. The frightening thing (to me) is that lashing out in his writing, he reacts towards those least responsible for bad schooling: the children. Yes, we see one teacher flee in terror, but the victims are disproportionately the kids.

It strikes me as the divide between satire being directed at the powerful, but it's just cruelty when it's directed at the powerless. That Lewis largely aims his ire at children instead of bad administrations, bad teachers, etc. is a little worrying to me.

GeniusLemur said...

Oh, and here's another one I just noticed: the bridge is wrecked, so that spot is back to being a ford. But earlier, the lack of a bridge meant the enemy army's retreat was cut off. Why can't the enemy army cross at the ford? I mean, that's the defintion of ford: a shallow place with good footing where you can cross.

doran said...

I'm now imagining a river god wearing a hat with a miniature bridge on it, and it is awesome.

BaseDeltaZero said...

(Speaking of, in what way is a bridge a river's 'chains'? A dam chains a river. A bridge is a river's hat. Hats are cool.)

Perhaps it was enchanted for the specific purpose of 'chaining' the river god? Or maybe it *was* a dam?

As for the ford... maybe there was too much rubble, or the current was too swift at the moment, and it only became a usable ford afterwards. Plus, it'd be slower going to ford than to cross the river, and/or not *look* passable...

GeniusLemur said...

A FEZ with a miniature bridge on it. That would be extra awesome. Because fezzes are cool. Like bowties.

EdinburghEye said...

That Lewis largely aims his ire at children instead of bad administrations, bad teachers, etc. is a little worrying to me.

The problem with the English "public school" system (that is, posh private school system) is that it placed huge power to punish and bully in the hands of a handful of boys in the "Sixth Form". This system was introduced by Doctor Arnold at Rugby in the 1830s, quite consciously on the grounds that the teachers ought to be distant figures of morality, learning and scholarship: the oldest boys were responsible for instilling "discipline" into the younger ones.

From Lewis's autobiography, he had a perfectly awful time in the short period he spent at a public school, and while as an adult he should have been able to look back and realise that the cause of his suffering was the system that allowed the older boys free reign over the younger ones (Roald Dahl realises this when he writes about his public school days) the people who would have been directly causing him to suffer would have been the other boys.

Lewis never seemed good at joined-up thinking - it's a problem I noticed with Narnia long before I read your wonderful deconstructions. He seems simultaneously to have known that his suffering at public school was caused by a system that is intended to allow bullying, both physical and mental, of anyone even slightly nonconformist, and to nonetheless believe firmly that anyone who stood up against that kind of system - the headteacher in The Silver Chair, Eustace Scrubb's parents - was obviously both wrong and silly.

Ana Mardoll said...

Yeah, I agree. It seems like he can identify First Cause ("I suffered Because Bullies") but not Second Cause ("I suffered Because Shitty Administration") or Ultimate Cause ("I suffered Because Patriarchal Systems that Create Bullies and Empower Them").

Josh G. said...

EdinburghEye: Interesting that you mention Roald Dahl, since I was thinking along the same lines. When I was in elementary school, we read Roald Dahl's Boy, which with its vivid scenes of beatings and bullyings greatly disturbed me at the time and which has stuck in my memory ever since. If British schools were really like that when Lewis attended, I can understand how he might come to the conclusion that they ought to all be razed to the ground. of course, as Ana and others point out, blaming it on the students rather than the system as a whole doesn't make much sense. (In The Silver Chair, Lewis does place some blame on the "Head" of Experiment House, but it's the students who get more page time and are the subject of physical revenge by Eustace and Jill.)

Regarding the bit about "unnecessary and uncomfortable clothes" – I had never read this as indicating actual nudity, just discarding stuff like the "ugly tight collars round their necks and thick tickly stockings on their legs." I had envisioned the students dolled up Victorian-style, where you could strip off two layers of clothing while still retaining what most people today would consider decent modesty. But this may have been influenced by the fact that when I first read this, my exposure to Greek myths was through books meant for younger readers. (I was aware of the fact that Bacchus was the god of wine, but the drunken orgy bit, not so much.)

Will Wildman said...

I've considered these options, but 1) there's no evidence that the Telmarines use magic for anything, so an enchanted god-chaining bridge seems a bit beyond them, and 2) it's stated in text that Bacchus and his entourage jump into the 'shallow water' around the bridge in preparation to upheave it, and shallow water makes no sense around a dam. (If not for that, then the Telmarines being unable to escape once the bridge/dam was gone might make sense, since the full volume of the river might be flowing through again, but then it wouldn't be the Ford.)

Steve Morrison said...

Incidentally, I think the Theologies here is a mishmash of Jesus casting demons into pigs and god mauling young boys with bears because they failed to give props to his prophet Elisha: This scene reminds me of the Ugly Duchess and her "child" more than anything else. Doesn't Alice list the little boys she knew who (she said) make better pigs than children?

Steve Morrison said...

I've assumed that the Telmarines were superstitiously afraid of the river, just as they were of the ocean. But a quick look doesn't show anything in the text which says so; it's only personal head-canon.

BaseDeltaZero said...

We have magic done by humans somehow, in later books, I believe, although of course it's badbadnaughty... and the Telmarines do seem to at least know of it. Or maybe it was done by the... whatever the Persian/Arab guys were called.

As for the dam theory, depending on the level of restriction, the bottom side of the dam might have comparatively shallow water.

Ana Mardoll said...

I don't think it's very likely that the Telmarines use and are employing magic. The humans in the series who do use magic are treated in text as highly unusual and very rare. Outside of the magician on the Isle of Invisible People and the three witches (Jadis, Green Lady, Jadis Part Deux), I don't recall there being any other magic users in the series. (And I think they usually have unusual parentage, like Jadis being a daughter of Lilith.)

It seems more likely to me that the river god is supposed to be a parallel to the sleeping trees. (And Bacchus, who was either asleep or absent with Aslan.)

Lonespark said...

Speaking of, in what way is a bridge a river's 'chains'? A dam chains a river. A bridge is a river's hat. Hats are cool.

You win ALL THE INTErNETS. Because yes. Why is it not a dam?

GeniusLemur said...

And yet his response is to have Aslan walk up to a random batch of schoolboys we haven't seen before, who do nothing objectionable (the closest thing is insisting their teacher teach them), terrify them, turn them into pigs, and send them off into the wilderness to get eaten. This is why I labeled it "spite" earlier. They're not show as cruel, or bullies, or anything. Just ugly and in school. And as soon as they appear, they're condemned.

Brin Bellway said...

CN: physical abuse, body horror of the forced-transformation variety

The sort of "History" that was taught in Narnia under Miraz's rule was duller than the truest history you ever read and less true than the most exciting adventure story.
[...]
"But please, Miss Prizzle," said Gwendolen, "there's a LION!"


I didn't know Miss Frizzle had an evil twin.

(I can't say for sure which was the truest history I ever read, but it may very well have been one of the entertaining ones.)

[Gwendolen] joined hands with two of the Maenads who whirled her round in a merry dance and helped her take off some of the unnecessary and uncomfortable clothes that she was wearing.

Because that's not skeevy at all.

(Does anyone else think of "skeevy" as meaning specifically sexual iffiness? Because I was just going to confirm that, but both of the dictionaries I've checked say it's just iffiness in general.)

And we're going to call her "girl" either because she's Laura Ingalls Wilder or because good women should be infantilized until they are suitably married and knocked up.

I was assuming she was maybe fourteen or fifteen. The idea that she wasn't a Laura-Ingalls-style teacher hadn't occurred to me.

At a well in a yard they met a man who was beating a boy. The stick burst into flower in the man's hand. He tried to drop it, but it stuck to his hand. His arm became a branch, his body the trunk of a tree, his feet took root. The boy, who had been crying a moment before, burst out laughing and joined them.

I would not expect someone to react well to a person--even a person who was just assaulting them a moment ago--being transformed into a tree in front of their eyes*. Possibly hysterical laughter and joining the people who did it out of fear if he didn't they'd go after him next, but I don't think we're supposed to read the line that way.

*Especially if they don't know dryads exist. Which, come to think of it, is he a dryad now or is he a lowercase-tree? Do they have lowercase-trees?

UrsulaVernon said...

You know, I'm gonna reach way back to nine-year-old Ursula here and say that Gwendolyn worked for me at the time.

It's pure daydreamer wish-fulfillment. I was the little girl staring out the window and not feeling like I belonged with my classmates (...like what, 90% of children? It's a safe gamble if you cast the Kid Who Doesn't Fit In as the heroine.) And here comes Aslan to save the day! And the daydreamer is the one he acknowledges!

I kinda doubt Lewis was cynically calculating that, mind you, but I seem to recall that striking a major chord with very young me.

Brenda said...

I suspect the Telmarines might not have been blocked so much by the lack of a bridge, but rather by the huge river-god...

Thomas Keyton said...

There's also Dr Cornelius and the would-be necromancers Nikabrik recruited, but as you say, no one (except Uncle Andrew) fully human - though iirc Uncle Andrew learned ring-making from existing magical texts, so presumably there were some in Earth's past.

That being said, the early Telmarines could theoretically have enslaved some Narnian magicians to do their dirty work for them.

GeniusLemur said...

That's possible, but I think it's far more likely that Lewis botched his plotting/worldbuilding yet again.

depizan said...

That was pretty much my response. I don't even... What the freaking hell is this!? It's a cornucopia of FAIL.

depizan said...

I would not expect someone to react well to a person--even a person who was just assaulting them a moment ago--being transformed into a tree in front of their eyes

Especially as that person's likely to have been a relative. Unless it's normal in Telmarune controlled Narnia to beat random children. These scenes are really lacking in thought and/or empathy.

JenL said...

Oh, and here's another one I just noticed: the bridge is wrecked, so that spot is back to being a ford. But earlier, the lack of a bridge meant the enemy army's retreat was cut off. Why can't the enemy army cross at the ford? I mean, that's the defintion of ford: a shallow place with good footing where you can cross.

I wonder if it's as simple as the army not realizing it's a ford? They're used to the bridge, now it's gone. If they're wearing army or carrying anything heavy, and they don't know the river is shallow there...

Scott P. said...

(Speaking of, in what way is a bridge a river's 'chains'? A dam chains a river. A bridge is a river's hat. Hats are cool.)

It's an (indirect) Classical reference. When Xerxes bridged the Hellespont with a chain of boats, he was said to have 'yoked' the Hellespont, thus fulfilling a Delphic oracle.

EdinburghEye said...

Unless it's normal in Telmarune controlled Narnia to beat random children. These scenes are really lacking in thought and/or empathy.

It was, in fact, pretty normal throughout the 19th century for adults to be allowed to beat children over whom they held responsibility, and not uncommon well into the 20th for an adult who hit or beat a child to be treated as having done something normal, not committed an assault, even if the adult had no supervisory responsibility for the child. The regulations about beating children were generally the sort of "you mustn't use too big a stick, and you shouldn't beat a child to break bones / cause permanent damage". Even that was fairly casually supervised, and there were professions where it was just taken for granted that a child put to work in them was likely to die young - chimney sweeping's the obvious one, but children in coal miles often died, too.

I assumed when I was first reading Narnia that this was that kind of situation - farmer who's routinely abused the boy who's working for him getting his deserved comeuppance. (Not that I'm saying anyone deserves to be transformed into a tree. But certainly that was my presumption back then when I had more confidence in Aslan's sense of justice than I do now.)

GeniusLemur said...

They're an army in a pre-industrial setting. They have to recognize a ford if they're going to get anywhere. In fact, just plain people in this setting will know a ford when they see one, just as a practical matter.

Will Wildman said...

Ah, an origin. Cool. I still don't think it makes any sense, but apparently the person who makes no sense to me in this case is much, much older than Lewis.

redsixwing said...

An enchanted god-chaining bridge sounds like something from Exalted. Can I borrow that idea? It's neat.

Lewis shows a lot of empathy for idealized children - daydreamers and sweet paper-cutout girls, innocent strong boys (Peter) and laughing disregard of authority.

He shows very little empathy for real children, it seems, or anyone else.

Dav said...

Oh, good, you guys, the bad kids are fat and dumpy. That's just fantastic. My, what a surprising and unique experience this is. C.S. Lewis sure is some writer. That foreshadowing from "fat kid" to "actual pig" is sure clever.

Theo Axner said...

Re: Narnians and Telmarines, earlier in the book at least the Telmarine inhabitants of Narnia are referred to as "New Narnians", aren't they?

In the movie, on the other hand, they never refer to themselves as such and "Narnians" means specifically "native Narnians".

Ana Mardoll said...

...and now I"m hella annoyed at myself because I didn't make that connection because I was all distracted by Elisha and Circe. But you're absolutely right that it's right there.

Ana Mardoll said...

Re: Narnians and Telmarines, earlier in the book at least the Telmarine inhabitants of Narnia are referred to as "New Narnians", aren't they?

I'd forgotten that, but you're right: there's one reference -- and only one that I can find -- when Trumpkin is trying to explain who Caspian is to the Pevensies: Peter thinks that Caspian is the head of the "Old Narnians" (a term that Trumpkin has bizarrely introduced to the conversation, apparently entirely so that Lucy can make a quip about the War of the Roses) and Trumpkin says Caspian is a "New Narnian", that is to say, a Telmarine. That's the only reference I can find, and it looks like a combination of WHITE PRIVILEGE IS NOT A THING, GUYS, Compulsory Cozy (it's just like school! LOLZ!), plus a whiff of born-againedness.

But I think it's clear from the context that "New Narnian" requires at least emphasizing with the Narnian cause, which presumably these ill-fated children do now.

Fm said...

This is also what I disliked in Dahl's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" - massive fat shaming. Can't Augustus be fat without being called a pig?
Returning to topicof school, here Lewis, for once, is more forgiving for females than males: two of the girls (Gwendolen and the teacher) are redeemed and welcomed, but none of the boys (one if you count the boy later) and all girls are allowed to flee, whereas boys and the man suffer permanent punishments.
helped her take off some of the unnecessary and uncomfortable clothes that she was wearing
Regarding clothing, note the word "some". Not all clothing, that is. As becomes clear later, Susan and Lucy surely were wearing clothes, and found them more comfortable than their original ones - which may also indicate they wore less layers of clothing. The Dryads and Nayads may be nude, but how much anatomy they show is up to debate.
By the way, I highly recommend "The girl who circumnavigated Fairyland in a ship of her own making". It deals brilliantly with Pevensie-like trips, and also contains some passages about "showing skin" which does not have to lead to an orgy.

BrokenBell said...

The first house they came to was a school: a girls' school, where a lot of Narnian girls, with their hair done very tight and ugly tight collars round their necks and thick tickly stockings on their legs, were having a history lesson.
Remember, darlings, high collars and thick leggings are awfully frumpy, and as we all know, only a stuffy girl would wear such stuffy clothes. Oh, but don't try too hard to look pretty, now; a preoccupation with nylons and lipstick is liable to distract a girl from the more important things in life, and that's hardly good for the soul. That said, you might want to do something about those legs, dear, you're looking a little... prim. Ahem.

It's nice when sexist tropes from generations ago look exactly like sexist tropes from the present day. It lends a real classical zest to my outrage, you know?

Ana Mardoll said...

Regarding clothing, note the word "some". Not all clothing, that is.

I'm pretty sure I didn't *say* I thought the girls went around naked. I certainly didn't think that. :)

Ana Mardoll said...

Haha, precisely, Broken Bell. 100% spot-on.

BaseDeltaZero said...

An enchanted god-chaining bridge sounds like something from Exalted. Can I borrow that idea? It's neat.


Um... sure.

Morgan said...

I feel like a fourth wall has been gone at with a sledgehammer.

Narnia's supposed to be escapist, right? As in - here's the mundane real world, but on the other side of this portal or barrier there's a magical fantasy world. Here you're nobody in particular, but there you're a high mucky-muck and everyone thinks you're great. Things work differently there. It's far removed from ordinary life, not least in having a romanticized historical setting. You may not be able to haul off and challenge a jerk at school to a duel with swords in the mundane world, but the memory of having won battles and ruled a kingdom makes it easier to deal with your everyday life, and sometimes you might even get to drag that jerk over to the other side where he'll learn how great you are and both suffer karmic comeuppance and become a better person.

Here... they take an army of fantasy creatures led by their god-lion and upend the routines of a bunch of children much like them, dressed much like them, in schools much like theirs - not identical, but maybe decades or a century out of date. Much, much more recent than the rest of the milieu. And it's not like the Badgers' sewing machine, a weirdly anachronistic background detail - it's the focus of a chapter, and something much closer to the main characters and the audience. It feels like Lewis threw the consistency of the setting into a wood chipper because he wanted to have the Narnians burst out into modern England and go nuts but couldn't quite bring himself to go that far. And I know, I know, "the consistency of the setting", oh ho ho... but really, I feel like a rule has been broken, a line crossed, that the book has temporarily forgotten what kind of book it's supposed to be.

AztecQueen2000 said...

Oh, no, they wanted their teacher to do her JOB! The brutes! I mean, why do what you were hired to do when you can talk to a lion.

depizan said...

Well, but that's kind of the problem. Unless you're arguing that a random guy walked up to a random kid and just decided to beat him, what was going on was probably "normal" by Telmarine standards. That Aslan just sort of bullies his way through, inflicting horrible things on Telmarines for behaving like Telmarines is really creepy. That Lewis assumes the "good" Telmarines would be pleased with this seems really disconnected. Either he never really thought of these walk on parts as people (most likely), or he made some really bizarre assumptions about how people would work.

Aslan is essentially punishing people for being of their culture. Not trying to change their mind about their ways, just zapping them into pigs and trees or at least terrorizing them. However much I might think it's wrong to hit kids, I can't help thinking that if you're an all powerful deity, it might be better to explain that than to just start in with the man-to-tree spells. I suppose Aslan could be sure the guy wasn't the kid's father, but still...

TulgeyWood said...

For me, the whiplash of the "harrowing of Beruna" scenes is that we've suddenly left Narnia entirely. One minute, we have armor, lances, formalized single combat, trumpets, etc., etc., in what I picture to be a more or less medieval kind of society. And the next minute ... kids in school? (Girls, no less?) And the names! On one side of the ford it's Caspian, Miraz, Slopepian, Nikabrik. But over here, it's Gwendolyn and Miss Prizzle. Whuf? It isn't New Narnia or Old Narnia across the ford - it's definitely 20th-century Britain.

Makabit said...

Remember, darlings, high collars and thick leggings are awfully frumpy, and as we all know, only a stuffy girl would wear such stuffy clothes.

This is one of the reasons why I love "Hereville: How Mirka Got Her Sword". The heroine is a troll-fighting eleven-year-old Orthodox Jew, and all her exploits are carried out wearing long sleeves and an ankle-length skirt. Nobody objects. And there's a nice, although not extremely broad, range of body types among the other girls at school.

Tigerpetals said...

I can only think that they're just being depicted as scared. They were scared, and then their bridge wasn't there so they got more scared, and just gave up.

Makabit said...

I've never had a big problem with the Elisha story. It's 42+ boys (or possibly young men--I've heard that the Hebrew word suggests that, although I don't know if that's accurate) attacking and bullying one man, and I don't exactly feel sorry for bullying gangs that get smacked down by something bigger than them.

I had to look that up. "Naarim" is 'youths' or 'boys', and could indicate young men old enough to be threatening to an old prophet, but it's modified with 'k'tanim', 'small', so I think that probably indicates children.

The rabbinic tradition is baffled by the story. There's some extensive argument about why it is a miracle, whether it is a miracle. What's the miracle, they ask? Were the bears miraculous? Was the forest miraculous? Or, as some people suggest, is it that 'there was no forest and no bears'? That phrase, 'Lo ya'ar v'lo dubim' is still used in Hebrew to mean 'no such thing', or 'that's entirely false'.

There is also an Israeli band called "Lo Dubim" (No bears), whose logo features a teddy bear in a circle-slash.

hf said...

I liked parts of this chapter as a child. And apparently I'd forgotten all of it except for a few important points:

1. Aslan clearly wouldn't want me to go to church.

2. Wine will cure what ails you.

3. River gods have this weird thing about bridges.

But reading your quotes now, ISTR finding some of it disturbing even then.

Ymfon Tviergh said...

And that's yet another weirdness, one that I only noticed now. Lewis goes into great detail describing how the Telmarines end up trapped between the rivergod (terrifying) and the walking forest (their worst nightmare), and "then utter panic and horror fell upon them and they all surrendered". Perhaps I'm too influenced by the excessive violence in today's media, but I can't help feeling that a more realistic sentence woud have been "then utter panic and horror fell upon them, and - realizing that they literally had nothing left to lose - every one of them fought on to their last breath".

GeniusLemur said...

Thanks for articulating something that had been bouncing around in the back of my head for a long time. And we bounce back to 20th century England, blowing the whole setting to pieces, so Lewis can give us the theologically important theme "Schoolchildren! I hate them! I hate them! I hate them!"

Will Wildman said...

Or maybe "chaining" the river means removing its power to either impede or facilitate humans crossing from one side to another? Even when the river's in flood and the ford is impassable, the careless human can just stroll across, regardless. Yoking the Hellespont, in fact.

This is the most likely conclusion I came to as well, but then the subtext seemed to become "And then Aslan gave back to the river its full power to kill people at a whim, and it was happy again", which seemed to be going a bit far. Not unreasonable from the Classical context we're working from, I guess?

Josh G. said...

Morgan: " It feels like Lewis threw the consistency of the setting into a wood chipper because he wanted to have the Narnians burst out into modern England and go nuts but couldn't quite bring himself to go that far."

In fact, during the last chapter of The Silver Chair, he does go that far: Aslan and Caspian temporarily intrude into England so that Eustace and Jill can beat up the bullies at Experiment House.

Josh G. said...

One thing that bothers me about this chapter is its exclusivity. Only a small handful of people are invited to join the "divine revelers"; the rest are either left behind, implied to be turned into pigs, or (in one case) transformed into a tree. Perhaps this was an intentional theological point on Lewis's part ("small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.") But that seems to contradict both Lewis's nonfiction Christian writings, and various parts of The Last Battle which seem to apply a significantly more lenient standard for salvation. I think it was simply oversight: Lewis didn't think carefully enough about what the scene implied about the nature of his God.

GeniusLemur said...

It may be a "disrespecting elders" thing. This is the same book that lists "Honor Your Mother and Father" as one of the ten most important rules and advocates death on the spot if your child talks back to you.

Lonespark said...

Hereville is awesome! Fruma is awesome!
When is the next one coming out?

depizan said...

I wondered that, too. I think it's more of Lewis not thinking about things from the characters' point of view and basing their actions on things they can't know. Or at least being wildly inconsistent in his characterization. Do the Telmarines think the Narnians/living forest/river god are people - who might be merciful if one surrenders or abide by whatever rules of war there are in that world, or do they think they are monsters - who aren't even likely to understand the concept of surrendering. Parts of the story suggest they have one point of view, others the other. (And I have to think he just plain forgot that they've never seen a walking forest or a river god before, unless by surrendering, he means, they threw themselves at the feet of the people like enemies in the hopes that they could protect them from the non-human enemies.)

slybrarian said...

An enchanted god-chaining bridge sounds like something from Exalted. Can I borrow that idea? It's neat.

You know, other than his non-human shape, with the way Alsan acts he'd fit right in with First Age Solar Deliberative. Ignore the pain and suffering of your purportive mortal subjects for a few hundred years, prance along doing nothing terribly useful because you're too busy snorting celestial coke at the Games, randomly employ mass shaping charms and social effects against peasants who annoy you...

redsixwing said...

You've got a very good point there.

It's not helping matters that one of my roleplaying buddies uses a bunch of "solar Lion" imagery with her Zenith caste. >.>

Tigerpetals said...

Then they'd lose their lives. Why would that be more realistic?

Also, I think it's just the tone. There's a trope present in enough media that's left an impression, and it's that of the enemy being a coward. If my impression is correct, this is particularly true in what's directed as children. So all of them being terrified, running away, and then surrendering isn't surprising, regardless of whether it's a good storytelling decision.

Makabit said...

Hereville is awesome! Fruma is awesome!
When is the next one coming out?

I don't know. I do love Fruma. You've got to adore a long-nosed Orthodox homemaker who knows quite a bit about fighting trolls, defends the right of dragons to occupy their ecological niche, and is known to a mysterious floating witch who seems to think of her as rather a force to be reckoned with.

Paul A. said...

About the little boys who only wanted their teacher to teach them: the impression I think I'm meant to get is that the important part of the sentence Let's tell the inspector she talks to people out of the window when she ought to be teaching us. is not "she ought to be teaching us", but "Let's tell the inspector" -- in other words, they're a bunch of mean-spirited sneaks who are happy for an excuse to get their teacher into trouble.

(Which is still, need it be said, not a crime deserving of being turned into a bacon sandwich.)

Isator Levi said...

Well....

This chapter was really weird.

The idea of all these people gathering up for some kind of bizarre parade kind of reminds me of Paprika.

Arresi said...

(* Then again, what do I know? Maybe Lewis really *did* think that, say, FDR was a "native American" because, you know, BORN THERE.)

It occurs to me that this might be related to the British. I think most people, even in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, would without significant hesitation call Anglo-Saxons native Britons. But they were still being physically*, culturally, and linguistically differentiated up to Lewis' day. And Lewis, based on the little I know of him, would have had a complicated relationship with nationality and race - Welsh Anglican raised in Northern Ireland with a a thing for Norse and Irish mythology, who lived in England, hated the English, and fought in the British Army. In other words, he's a native Briton in a country ruled by the foreigners. In that context, him writing that the New Narnians could be Narnians, as long as they accepted the culture of the Old Narnians is kinda radical, actually.

(*For anyone not familiar, the Welsh, Cornish, Scots, and Irish were considered a different race with different physical traits than the Anglo-Saxons, who were part of the Germanic race. Both were different again from the Scandinavians and the Mediterraneans. Think Hispanics or Filipinos in the modern US. Attitudes really shifted after WWII and the rather dramatic evidence that Germans were as capable of barbarism as anyone else.)

Ana Mardoll said...

Possibly, although it butts up against the problem that the *other* Marginalized People may not feel the same way. (And all the problems involved in, "But my Marginalized Friend says...").

And if that was the intent, it seems to me that the story would make more sense from a Narnian perspective -- though the narrative is third-person, we tend to follow Caspian as the protagonist. If we followed a Narnian as the protagonist who fought in Caspian's army, he could have more clearly fleshed out how the Narnians have suffered and why he thinks it's important to let that go.

Instead, we get this weirdness where any time someone mentions the awful things done to the Narnians, someone clumsily pops up to shout that it isn't Caspian's fault ... and then we "naturalize" a whole group of Telmarine girls who are not sympathetic to the Narnians (the flee Aslan). That doesn't seem like an exploration of the idea that Acceptance Equals Becoming, it seems almost like a refutation of that to me.

My two cents.

Arresi said...

It seems to me that in Prince Caspian, we get a lot of Lewis throwing a lot of . . . I'm not sure what the word I'm looking for is. Is there a real-world equivalent of personal head-canon? This is stuff that works for him, at any rate, and since he's kind of screwed up and tangled up in his issues about race and religion, this is too. If that makes any sense.

So my comment about radicalism aside, I don't think he's actually got an intent, precisely, in how he writes about race and nationalism. I think he just wrote what he felt (and this is definitely felt, not rationally thought) about the society he was living in when he was younger. Tea was comfort food and Turkish Delight a luxury (want to bet one of his bullies used to get the stuff?) so Mrs. Beaver serves tea and the Witch offers Turkish Delights. Women were active in the World Wars and the wars were horrible so Susan and Lucy shouldn't be allowed to fight. Children were horrible to him at school so Edmund deserves death.

Lewis was a Welsh Anglican living in Northern Ireland, who identified with the Irish, so Caspian is a Telmarine (and therefore both an oppressor and a member of the same race as the true kings) living in Narnia who identifies with the Old Narnians.

And I think I just argued that Narnia is Lewis's version of a rape fantasy, or maybe that Lewis is that creepy guy exposing himself on the train. Possibly I should shut up now.

tl;dr: Lewis is (usually) more complicated than that, but still terrible.

Ana Mardoll said...

Oh, I see what you mean! My point about "but if he was trying to say that, he picked a crummy way to do it" becomes immaterial if he wasn't trying to say it rather than his head-canon leaked into his writing. Fair enough, and I see what you mean now.

(I think I got distracted by "radical" and read into that "intentional". Which of course the word doesn't require in order to make sense in that context. Whoops, me.)

Your comment hit me that when I see bad stuff in Twilight I assume that S. Meyer probably didn't *intend* the Unfortunate Implications, but when I see bad stuff in Narnia, I'm less confident of that. Is it because these books seem *intended* for Moral Instruction To Children and thus I assume the author thought more about what zie was trying to convey? Or possibly I just hold it to a higher standard because Aslan seems pretty clearly meant to have Theological Implications?

I don't know. But the difference is there in my head and I must now go think on it.

Aspermoth said...

The magician on the Isle of Invisible People is a star sent to the island to guard it as punishment, so I don't think there is a single example of a pure human magic user. So yes, it is very unlikely that the Telmarines were using magic. Perhaps they just freaked out that the bridge was destroyed because it meant that something mighty and powerful enough to destroy it was amongst their enemies?

Ymfon Tviergh said...

Because, as far as they know, the forest attacking them means that they're about to be slaughtered no matter what they do, and their only hope is to kill all their enemies first.

I agree with you that it's a matter of tone: it struck me as yet another example of people acting more like characters in an Allegorical Theology-Story For Children than, well, actual people.

Arresi said...

Other possibilities:

Lewis is one of the big names in literature and theology, and known to have worked with Tolkein, etc. Meyer is new, she hasn't written Important Books of Non-Fiction, and she's not in a writing group with, oh, Neil Gaiman or China Mieville.

Meyer is closer to us, so we know the social rules and standards she's held to, and we know what kind of influences she's likely to hold. So we can look at her treatment of the Quileute and figure that it's unlikely that an American woman in 2012 meant to say native Americans are inferior, and that those sections are probably unconscious racism, rather than intentional. Lewis is from another country so the context is different, and worse, he's from the past, and everyone knows that people in the past were barbarians. So it's easier to think that he intended things the way they come across.

I spent a couple years a while back studying the intellectual life of a Welsh Anglican preacher in the pre-war years, including demographic shifts, race, nationality, and religion, so I'm kind of familiar with Lewis' "type".

Ana Mardoll said...

Lewis is from another country so the context is different, and worse, he's from the past, and everyone knows that people in the past were barbarians.

This, at least, I know is not the case for me. If anything, we often tend to be kinder to people in the past because they didn't have, say, the benefit of various movements to educate them on other perspective.

(Indeed, I sometimes have to remind myself that Lewis was writing in 1950, not the misty past of the 1700s or whenever when people Just Couldn't Know Any Better.)

Isator Levi said...

Oh, also:

Am I the only one who reads Aslan calling somebody "sweetheart" and thinks of Haymitch Abernathy?

Aslan becomes a fair bit more amusing if one imagines him as constantly sozzled.

EdinburghEye said...

Aslan becomes a fair bit more amusing if one imagines him as constantly sozzled.

DRUNKEN LION. Love it.

Arresi said...

Augh. I'm doing a terrible job of being clear today, aren't I? The attitude you describe - being kinder to historical figures because they didn't have modern perspectives, etc. - is basically what I meant when I joked about how "everyone knows that people in the past were barbarians." On the one hand, that approach means you aren't calling people in the past evil for socially constructed attitudes they don't have full control over, but on the other hand, it means that you're less likely to assume that they don't really mean whatever Unfortunate Implication that came out.

Anton_Mates said...

It's 42+ boys (or possibly young men--I've heard that the Hebrew word suggests that, although I don't know if that's accurate) attacking and bullying one man, and I don't exactly feel sorry for bullying gangs that get smacked down by something bigger than them.

Bullies ought to be punished, sure. But if your thought process is "They all laughed at me about my hair! I'll kill them, kill them all!!", then you should probably duck right now, because there's a 92% probability that Superman just broke out of your Kryptonite-powered forcefield and is about to punch your battle armor in the face.

Anton_Mates said...

Returning to topicof school, here Lewis, for once, is more forgiving for females than males: two of the girls (Gwendolen and the teacher) are redeemed and welcomed, but none of the boys (one if you count the boy later) and all girls are allowed to flee, whereas boys and the man suffer permanent punishments.

To say nothing of the Telmarine boys and men who showed proper Lewis-approved courage and loyalty by taking up arms for their country (unless they were forcibly conscripted), and then charging the Narnians to protect their fallen king. They got stabbed through the face by Edmund or pincushioned by sword-wielding mice or pulverized by angry trees for their trouble, because Aslan was busy farting around with his parade instead of preventing wars. Theodicy!

Anton_Mates said...

She looked out of the window and saw the divine revelers singing up the street and a stab of joy went through her heart.

You know what this whole divine revel made me think, even when I was eight or so? This is a really lame party. I could be in the most boring class on earth and if this bunch of jackasses with their pointless screaming and their PG-13 dancing and their pretending to be high off yummy-yet-non-alcoholic grapes rolled up to this window, I'd head to the library until it was all over.

And the main reason it's a lame party is that The Boss, the one who makes and enforces all the Rules, is there. The Pevensies may coo about how Bacchus looks like he might do "absolutely anything," but of course he won't do absolutely anything. You know he won't do anything at all that might break a Rule or otherwise displease The Boss. He's not going to do anything remotely sexual, although he might firmly hug a nymph or someone if she happens to be his lawfully and monogamously wedded wife. He's not going to get anyone genuinely high or drunk. He's not going to tell dirty jokes, or tell everyone to start worshipping Jupiter instead of Aslan. He might kill someone, but only if Lewis!Aslan obviously doesn't like them, and that's hardly a surprise since we know that Aslan has people killed all the time.

He's not going to transgress. Aslan may not be a tame lion, but this is a tame Dionysus, and a tame Dionysus is pointless. This is like going to a mandatory assembly at the school auditorium, and seeing some guys with guitars and leather come onstage and ask you if you're ready to ROCK!!! about the dangers of littering and smoking pot, while the principal stands there smiling and tapping his foot and nodding along.

If your ultimate avatar of liberation and rebellion and chaos is appointed by the state, you live in a dystopia.

hf said...

Yes, I found myself thinking of Aleister Crowley's take on Arthur Edward Waite:

One is inclined to think of him as Pentheus in a frock-coat.

A MYSTERY-PLAY.

DIONYSUS. I bring ye wine from above
From the vats of the storied sun ---
MR. WAITE. Butler, decant the claret carefully!
DIONYSUS. For every one of ye love ---
MR. WAITE. Ay, lawful marriage is a sacrament.
DIONYSUS. And life for everyone ---
MR. WAITE. And lawful marriage should result in life.
DIONYSUS. Ye shall dance on hill and level ---
MR. WAITE. But not the vulgar cancan or mattchiche.
DIONYSUS. Ye shall sing through hollow and height ---
MR. WAITE. See that ye sing with due sobriety!
DIONYSUS. In the festal mystical revel,
The rapturous Bacchanal rite!
MR. WAITE. If Isabel de S.......should approve!
DIONYSUS. The rocks and trees are yours ---
MR. WAITE. According to Laws of Property.
DIONYSUS. And the waters under the hill --
MR. WAITE. Provided that you pay your water rate.
DIONYSUS. By the might of that which endures ---
MR. WAITE. Me, surely, and my fame as an adept.
DIONYSUS. The holy heaven of will!
MR. WAITE. Will Shakespeare was not an initiate.
DIONYSUS. I kindle a flame like a torrent
To rush from star to star ---
MR. WAITE. Incendiarism! Arson! Captain Shaw!
DIONYSUS. Your hair as a comet's horrent, ---
MR. WAITE. Not for a fortune would I ruffle mine.
DIONYSUS. Ye shall see things as they are.
MR. WAITE. Play fair, god! do not give the show away!
[The M�nads tear him limb from limb, and MADAME DE S ...... tries to brain DIONYSUS with a dummy writ.

Amaryllis said...

Aslan seems pretty clearly meant to have Theological Implications?

I just discovered, with horrified glee, the RaptureReady site's collection of desktop wallpaper.

CW: cruelty to animals:
Someone over there has been reading too much C. S. Lewis:

http://www.raptureready.com/wallpaper/vwp7b.jpg

Arresi said...

Okay, that's awesome. Where is it from?

Ana Mardoll said...

This, so much. (And hf's hilarious comment, as well.) +1 to both.

I don't remember much how I responded to this sequence as a child, but I think you've captured how I felt overall. As you say, the singing and dancing and revelry feels tame and forced, like a church parade that your parents have pushed you into when you'd rather be reading or playing games. There's nothing unpredictable about to happen, no sense of danger, and no real sense of breaking the rules -- it's an enforced jollity in a situation where "joy" isn't a particularly realistic response.

The Telmarines have no reason to be joyous about Aslan coming. And the Narnians have a reason to be joyous, perhaps, but they also have good reason to ask where the heck Aslan has been all this time. That they're not allowed to ask by the narrative feels forced and unnatural. This is probably supposed to be a Triumphal Entry scene, akin to Jesus riding in on a donkey, but I don't think it really *works* because it's a completely different context and things didn't carry over well.

Cynicism Follows said...

In reading the Prince Caspian deconstructions it strikes me how little I actually remember this book. It made... pretty much no impression on me. I have feelings and memories about all of the other Narnia books (although I have little recollection of the actual EVENTS of The Last Battle, it's mostly just a memory of seething hatred) but very little of any of the book sounds even faintly familiar.
Looking over what you've quoted, my reaction is pretty much "Aslan is an arse." I mean, I think that about most of his actions, but this is really gratuitous. And while I have a lot of sympathy for all the pig-boys and tree-man (with caveats for their actions, sure, but as said by others, we have seen nothing that shows this reaction to be in proportion) I think I mostly feel sorry for the people on the other side of the hatless river. Mostly the dead dwarfs. But really, Aslan is gone for 1300 years and then he waits out all fighting and the planning and letting all the kids and Narnians sweat etc. before Deus-Ex-Machina-ing onto the scene and making all their efforts worthless?

Side Note:
"Near as I can tell, it's because that would be both 1) English, and 2) sensible, and never the twain may meet." I have no words for how much this resonates with me at the moment. I'm currently participating in a student exchange (in Spain) and people are often asking me to explain some eccentricity of English and I find myself totally unable to respond. I very quickly discovered how to say "English is just weird like that" in Spanish.

hf said...

It comes from a magazine calling The Equinox, which is to say that Aleister "The Great Beast" Crowley wrote it (sometime in the early twentieth century Gregorian).* You can see his take on the Lion here by the way (possibly NSFW).

*See the-equinox.org or hermetic.com/crowley or any number of other places.

rikalous said...

A great deal of the English language comes from mugging other languages for words and bits of grammar. It'd be miraculous if it all went together in any sort of reasonable fashion.

Nina said...

"In reading the Prince Caspian deconstructions it strikes me how little I actually remember this book. It made... pretty much no impression on me. "

Me too. I read this book at least once and possibly more, but reading the decons is like reading the book for the first time. And reading the decons, I can see why it made little impression. It's really kind of a mess, isn't it?

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